Blacktown City CEO Bob Turner: “The council is exceptional in wanting to build pride”

Ahead of the National Premier Leagues NSW season, Blacktown City CEO Bob Turner chatted with Soccerscene about the NPL 1 side’s 2022 Season Launch and the recent developments being instigated to push the club towards greater growth and expansion into becoming a central sporting hub for the Blacktown region.

The Blacktown City 2022 Season Launch was hosted by Stephanie Brantz and marked a significant milestone moment for the club. The sheer magnitude of the launch well and truly represents a pivotal moment in Blacktown City’s recent history, which is due in no small part to the initiatives being introduced by Turner and the team at the club.

Unveiled at the event were the announcements of Blacktown City’s first ever Senior Women’s team, construction of new $1 million changerooms under the main grandstand thanks to the NSW Government, and full operational control of the side’s home Stadium – Blacktown City Sports Centre.

In addition, Blacktown City unveiled that they had become a Diamond Member of the Greater Blacktown Business Chamber, and utilised the evening to launch their recent induction and to host Chamber members in a restructured Business After 5 format.

BCFC Bob Turner

Have Blacktown City regularly conducted season launches of this size? Or was this the first time where you’ve actively tried to bring the community together from all over Blacktown?

Bob Turner: They used to hold the launch at Lily’s Function Centre with Vince Camera when he was in control at the club. But we haven’t had one for a number of years, and we just felt with so many good things happening that it would be better to have a real season launch and make a big deal of it.

Blacktown Council came to the party and let us have their Bowman Hall which can accommodate up to 400-500 and is adjacent to the Council Chambers. But more importantly, because of social distancing it helped us to keep spread and thankfully the Mayor, and the Deputy Mayor, a couple of Councillors, and of course Stephanie Brantz – were all there. It just added to the whole credibility of the launch and it was also good to see both the men’s side and the women’s side together on the stage at one time. Which is a huge plus for the club moving forward.

Blacktown City have recently been inducted as a Diamond Member of the Greater Blacktown Business Chamber. What was the process of organising that and how did it feel being able to launch it?

Bob Turner: It’s fortunate that I’m Vice President of the Chamber, so that helps! One of the biggest things I’ve found in my year involved at the club is how do we make a bigger impact for the city of Blacktown. Both for the club, but importantly for the city. Because I think that the city of Blacktown is very sports conscious. It’s a very misunderstood city in my opinion over the last 10 years of being involved in it. It doesn’t have a main sports team that the city takes pride in and I think Blacktown City – by virtue of not just our name but also our history, credibility, stadium and the competition we play in – all are significant factors in being able to build Blacktown City into something elite.

Our goal is no different to when I first joined the Sydney Kings back in 1989. I could see the potential of what the Kings could do for the sport of basketball and also for the city. It was just a matter of time before we made the right inroads to get people to understand that it’s a good product and things took off. So, in my view, after a year of involvement we’ve made huge strides forward in so many different areas and winning on the field is a bonus. It’s everything else – it’s the business of building Blacktown City.

There’s a Women’s World Cup coming up in Australia and New Zealand, and along with that comes all of the excitement and momentum building around women’s football. What was it like for you to launch the first-ever senior women’s team for Blacktown City with such a promising future ahead?

Bob Turner: Last February we announced that I had become involved in the club and one of the first questions that I asked was ‘do we have any women’s players’? We had some junior teams but not anything significant. I said that with the World Cup coming in 2023 the game is going to explode as a result of that, and we need to jump now into that space. Our Head of Football Mark Crittendon had always wanted to build a women’s program, so collectively the new board and Mark decided that we’re going to have a go at this.

We appointed a Head of Women’s Football, David ‘Dok’ O’Keefe, and his background is one of building clubs. His task is very simple: within three years we want to be in NPL 1 and we want the Blacktown women’s team to be as credible as the men. It’s the same culture that Mark has established in the men’s team – where players want to play for the club and they know they’re going to get better by being a member of Blacktown City. In time, we can build the women’s program at the same level.

One of the key ingredients of that is the upgrades to the changerooms which are a bit ancient. We applied for a grant with the State Government to build new changerooms for our women’s program primarily, and we were successful in that grant application. So, now we’re busy preparing to build new changerooms under our main grandstand which was 20-odd years ago they wanted to do. The main benefactor of that will be our women’s program, and it will help us to recruit better young female talent, especially if they know that the coaching, culture, facilities and competition are all right.

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What was it like to finally solidify your home ground – Blacktown City Sports Centre – as being controlled by the club?

Bob Turner: Vince Camera from Lily Homes took over the club when it ran into financial trouble around 12 years ago. And he turned the licensed club into a function centre. He took over the stadium, installed the AstroTurf pitch, put in netting for 5-a-sides, improved the corporate suite area and the café, and did so many very positive things. But after 10-11 years he lost his momentum for it and came to us to see if we wanted to takeover the ground.

We started to negotiate that opportunity and in October of last year we took it over. Not only does that give us full control of what we can do to improve the stadium and the changerooms, but also greater revenue streams are now available to us as with running our own competition and hiring our ground out to other clubs, academies and people who want to train. So, now rather than just relying on gameday tickets and sponsorship, we have revenue streams that can help build a solid financial base for the club and make improvements. My end goal is to make our stadium a 4,000-5,000 seat niche venue and a good destination point for people to come and watch good football.

The theme you’ve introduced for Blacktown City this year is ‘Bring it home Blacktown’. Obviously, you’re wanting to amplify the region itself and to give Blacktown the respect it deserves, but what does this theme represent for you?

Bob Turner: Back in 2011, NSW Baseball and the Sydney Blue Sox asked if I would get involved because they needed to restructure. They made the comment at the time that Major League Baseball actually owned the league and I thought that was pretty impressive. If I had never done that, I would’ve been like the vast majority of Sydney residents in that I would never understand Blacktown. But because I went out to the ballpark that is based in Blacktown, got involved in the Chamber and ran a not-for-profit business for a few years in Blacktown, I could really see the opportunity in the misunderstanding of what the city represents. I would often ask people to come out to watch the Blue Sox play and once they found out it was in Blacktown they’d not want to go, like there was some huge problem.

But that reinforced to me that if you live in Blacktown, you like Blacktown. If you don’t live in Blacktown, you’re not going to get it, for a long time at least. The council is exceptional in wanting to build pride in the 400,000 residents in the area and that population will grow to 550,000 over the next 10 to 15 years. If we can capture that through some emphasis on who we are, Blacktown City wins, the city of Blacktown wins and the sport of football wins. That’s really what it’s all about. To me it’s as much a play to help out the city.

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Recently the Australian Association of Football Clubs (AAFC) announced the final report for the National Second Division. Is there a reason why Blacktown City were not part of the final plans put forward?

Bob Turner: No, other than we might not have been communicated to I would think. It’s definitely in our wheelhouse. Blacktown City used to be in the NSL and was a very solid club when that competition was growing. We definitely want to be involved in anything that’s improving the game. My one concern – having been in professional sport all my life – is how to pay for it all? And that’s something that everybody has to consider. Because on paper it all looks good, but remember you have to finance and fund paying players, building competitions, and flying around the country especially in Australia with a jam-packed sports calendar.

Nowadays there’s 50-odd sporting teams in Sydney alone and TV money is not going to answer the call because it’s not that big a country. If you rely only on games and sponsors, or somebody who has deep pockets, eventually those pockets get thin and you get tired of losing money. The future of any competition relies on how you pay the bills and that has to be a number one consideration.

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Community consultation opens for Ashburton’s Warner Reserve pavilion upgrade

Community consultation has opened on the proposed redevelopment of the Warner Reserve pavilion in Ashburton. Early planning is underway to modernise the facility and improve amenities for local sporting clubs and community users.

The city of Boroondara has received $80,000 in Victorian Government funding to prepare concept designs. They will undertake community consultation as part of planning for the proposed upgrade.

While construction is currently scheduled for the 2032-33 financial year, the project could be brought forward if additional funding is secured.

The proposed redevelopment would see existing pavilion replaced with a modern facility better positioned to service the reserve. Plans include two new changerooms with toilets and showers, a multipurpose community space with a kitchen and canteen, a first aid room, umpire facilities, an externally accessible public toilet and a covered spectator viewing area.

The proposed new look pavilion at Warner Reserve. Image Credit: City of Boroondara

The concept also allows for the future addition of two extra changerooms, should participation levels continue to grow.

As part of the proposal, the existing playground would be relocated to improve visibility and open space within the reserve. Six trees identified for removal would also be replaced with new plantings elsewhere in Warner Reserve.

Residents, sporting clubs and reserve users are encouraged to provide feedback on the proposal before consultation closes on 15 September. Feedback will help refine the concept design before the project progresses to future planning and funding stages.

If delivered, the redevelopment is expected to improve facilities for local sporting clubs and community groups while providing more inclusive amenities to support growing participation across community sport.

Who Coaches the Coaches? Gary Cole on the Gaps in Australian Football’s Development System

Australian football has long placed player development at the centre of discussions about the game’s future. But former Socceroo, coach and football administrator Gary Cole believes another question deserves greater attention: who is developing the coaches responsible for developing those players?

Following Soccerscene’s recent analysis of the challenges facing Australia’s coaching system, Cole spoke about his experience of coach education, the National Football Curriculum, pathways into professional coaching and the growing number of Australian players pursuing opportunities overseas.

His assessment points to a broader issue. Australia does have a formal pathway for aspiring coaches, but qualifications alone do not necessarily create better coaches or provide a pathway into professional employment.

For Cole, the missing link is what happens between completing a coaching course and becoming capable of consistently improving players on the pitch.

 

From coach education to coaching

Cole’s introduction to coaching stretches back to the early development of formal coach education in Australia during the 1970s.

He recalls being encouraged into coaching by Dr Ron Smith while studying to become a primary school teacher, before later working under influential figures including Eric Worthington.

One experience with Worthington as a young player fundamentally changed Cole’s understanding of what coaching could achieve.

Worthington worked with Cole and his fellow forwards on their movement and ability to create space for one another. Rather than simply organising a training exercise, the coach was deliberately changing individual and collective behaviours that could then influence what happened in a match.

“It was a light bulb moment for me,” Cole said.

“What he was doing was changing my and the team’s behaviours in training, where that could impact the way we played together on the field.”

That distinction remains central to how Cole views coach education today.

 

Does the current coach education system adequately prepare Australian coaches?

“I think it prepares some of your coaches some of the time, but not all of the coaches all of the time,” Cole said.

His concern is that Australian coach education has, at times, moved too far away from the practical environment in which coaching actually occurs.

“In my opinion, and from the feedback that we’ve gotten at Football Coaches Australia over the journey, coach education lost its way a little bit for a period of time,” he said.

“Some of it became academic. It was more about PowerPoint presentations, more about talking about coaching than it was about coaching.

“The magic of coaching happens between human beings on grass. That’s where the success happens.”

Cole does not dismiss the importance of theory, tactical discussion or other off-field preparation. Instead, his argument is that these elements ultimately need to translate into a coach’s ability to influence player behaviour.

As coaches progress further into performance environments, he believes that ability becomes increasingly important.

“The reality in coaching, as you go up through the performance pathways, is it becomes more and more about helping people to get the right behaviours individually and collectively on the pitch on the weekend,” he said.

“And that requires you to do that on the pitch during the week.”

 

Is the National Football Curriculum still fit for purpose?

Australia’s National Football Curriculum has played an important role in creating a common framework for player and coach development.

But with the current curriculum dating back more than a decade, Cole believes a review is overdue.

“There was a lot of good stuff in there,” he said.

“There was a bunch of stuff that wasn’t in there. There’s nothing about tackling or heading the ball, which is quite bizarre given these are two parts of the game.

“Does it need reviewing? Yes, absolutely.”

The need for a review is not simply about individual football skills.

The environment surrounding coaching has changed significantly, from data and performance analysis to artificial intelligence and the increasingly diverse backgrounds of players entering Australian football.

“The game does change and evolve,” Cole said.

Perhaps more importantly, Cole cautions against assuming there is only one correct way to coach.

He admits that earlier in his career he was something of a “coaching snob”, believing successful coaches needed to approach the game in a similar way to those he had learned from.

Experience changed that perspective.

“There’s never just one way of doing it,” he said.

“People can be successful doing things differently.”

For Australian coach development, that raises an important question: should a national curriculum prescribe how coaches should think, or give them the foundations from which they can develop their own approach?

 

Australia has a coaching pathway – but where does it lead?

Cole is clear that there is a formal route available to aspiring Australian coaches.

Coaches can progress through the licence system from the C and B Licences towards the A and ultimately Pro Licence.

But accessing qualifications and building a professional coaching career are two different challenges.

“Having the licence is one thing that gives you access to the road,” Cole said.

“But to become the driver, you need to get on the road, make some mistakes – preferably don’t kill you – and do all those things.

“Go and get yourself a job at whatever level that you can and you’re comfortable at and develop as a coach.”

Experience, he argues, cannot be replaced by certification.

“The best coaches are the ones that have had hundreds and thousands of hours working with football and on the park, because that’s where they develop.”

Cole points to Joe Montemurro as an example of that evolution.

Early in his coaching career, Montemurro told Cole he would observe other coaches and borrow training exercises that looked effective. Over time, however, he developed a clearer understanding of who he was as a coach, how he wanted his teams to play and which exercises actually served that philosophy.

“The best coaches have the capacity to make the complex simple,” Cole said.

The missing bridge into professional coaching

The greater structural problem emerges when coaches attempt to turn that development into a career.

Cole points to Heidelberg United coach John Anastasiadis as an example of the type of progression that should theoretically exist: achieve success in the NPL, earn an opportunity within an A-League environment and potentially progress towards becoming a professional head coach.

In practice, Cole believes that transition remains rare.

“The number of NPL coaches that get spotted and targeted by A-League coaches is almost non-existent,” he said.

“If they’re lucky, they can get a job, and that’s great because it’s the door towards being a professional coach.”

Cole believes Australian coaches with established professional records are highly regarded. However, when clubs look beyond that group, overseas experience can often be prioritised ahead of coaches working within Australia’s NPL competitions.

“We rarely then look down into the NPL competitions in all of the states to find the next batch of elite coaches,” he said.

It creates a difficult contradiction within the Australian pathway.

Coaches are encouraged to obtain qualifications, accumulate experience and prove themselves within the domestic system, yet success at NPL level does not necessarily provide a clear bridge into the professional game.

Are overseas pathways a failure of Australian development?

The same pathway debate applies to players.

The United States college system has become an increasingly visible option for Australian footballers, offering an established sporting and educational environment alongside opportunities to progress into professional competition.

Cole, however, cautions against treating every player who leaves Australia as evidence that the domestic system has failed.

“Development of players is not linear,” he said.

“You like to put things in boxes, but the reality of player development is it can go ahead in leaps and bounds, and then it doesn’t move for a while.”

His advice to parents of talented young players is therefore relatively simple.

“Take them to somewhere where they want your child to be a part of it, you’ve got a good coach and they’re going to play.”

That final point is particularly important.

Australian players have increasingly secured opportunities in Europe and other overseas markets, but Cole argues the prestige of signing abroad matters less if the player is not receiving meaningful playing time.

“We’ve seen a whole bunch of young Australian players in the last 10 years go off into Europe, get a contract in Europe, not play in Europe, get some time in the reserves, and then come back and play more regularly in the A-League,” he said.

“And that’s okay as well.”

For Cole, development should ultimately be judged by whether an environment gives a player the coaching and competitive minutes required to improve.

“Who coaches the coaches?”

It was Cole’s final observation that perhaps best encapsulates the challenge facing Australian football.

When formal coach education was first established, he recalls technical directors carrying responsibility for both player development and coach development.

He believes that role has changed significantly.

At NPL level in particular, technical directors can now spend substantial amounts of time dealing with parents and concerns surrounding selection, playing time and the significant fees families pay for junior football.

“The technical director role is more like a customer service officer because they’re dealing with parents who are paying an awful lot of money for their kids to play,” Cole said.

“If the kids don’t play, they don’t get enough game time or they don’t start enough, they want to know why, and that role falls back on the TD.”

The consequence is potentially significant.

If technical directors become consumed by administration and parent management, responsibility for actively developing coaches can become secondary.

“Within the club system, someone needs to be responsible for player and coach development,” Cole said.

“Because if we’re going to help our players and coaches develop, we need to be thinking about what goes on.

“And who coaches the coaches?

“Coaches can learn without being coached, but coaches benefit from being coached as well.”

That may ultimately be the distinction Australian football needs to address.

Creating more qualified coaches is measurable. Creating environments in which those coaches receive mentorship, accumulate meaningful experience, develop their own football philosophies and can progress towards professional employment is considerably more difficult.

If Australia wants to improve the players emerging from its development system, strengthening the people responsible for developing them may be one of the most important places to start.

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