Caroline Carnegie: “I don’t think there’s a reason why the game shouldn’t be a success”

Season 2023/24 has been crucial for Melbourne Victory as Managing Director Caroline Carnegie is guiding the Club in the right direction.

There was a tricky period for the organisation, but that has not slowed Victory both on and off the park, as the A-League Men’s and Women’s sides have both performed well in their respective campaigns, with the former bouncing back superbly.

Coupled with significant business partnerships and acquisitions, Victory is establishing a gameplan for long-term growth ahead of its 20th year of existence in 2025.

In this interview with Soccerscene, Carnegie discusses the A-Leagues landscape, the partnership deals Victory have made, tackling the infrastructure problem and maintaining the World Cup legacy.

How are things travelling with Melbourne Victory?

Caroline Carnegie: We’re heading in the right direction with both the men’s and women’s team doing very well.

There’s always going to be noise in different sports – with the Australian Professional League’s situation there’s no doubt we have a lot of work to do and room to grow, both from the league and Club.

Part of it is that despite being a world game, it just hasn’t taken off from a professional perspective in comparison to the participation.

That doesn’t happen in 30 seconds, so there’s a lot of work to get where we want to be as a code, and we all have got to contribute.

That includes every stakeholder that sits around it too and I totally understand that can be difficult to do if there’s no agreement in decisions or directions.

Ultimately, our number one to build our Club and code is to fill stadiums week in, week out and we can’t do that without passionate people who want to be part of it.

You say that the A-Leagues is still in its infancy stage, your thoughts?

Caroline Carnegie: We have a lot of work to do, but there’s so much potential.

I know people have heard that a lot and get tired of the same messaging, but there have been numerous phases from a regulation perspective that we all have to grow, adapt and move with.

Next season is our 20th season and that is super exciting, but the Club is still so young in context with what’s happening in other professional sports so that needs to be factored in.

You’ve acquired numerous partnerships in the past few months including Turkish Airlines, ASICS and Lite n’ Easy, your thoughts on acquiring and retaining them?

Caroline Carnegie: We work incredibly hard to retain our partners and proud of the quality and calibre of them such as Turkish Airlines.

We’ve got wonderful partners that have been with us on the journey such as La Ionica, KFC and Checkpoint that have been around for a very long time, among many others.

When we sat in a room and announced the Turkish Airlines deal, Prof. Ahmet Bolat was talking about flying 90-95 million people around the world next year – all of whom will have exposure to their partnerships, which is a massive win for us. It’s also a win for the football code to get exposure as well.

In addition, having 777 Partners as a strategic shareholder is important to us.

We have General Managers across the business who meet regularly to look at leveraging better opportunities across the network. There’s a good analytical group that really supplements what we can do.

It’s still early days with 777 Partners, but still a positive relationship so far.

Turkish Airlines are one of Victory’s major partners.

Infrastructure is an ongoing challenge for all clubs, how is Victory managing it?

Caroline Carnegie: It’s a big challenge. There are so many people that want to play our sport off the back of the men’s and women’s World Cups, but not enough pitches to play at.

It’s a constant challenge but not necessarily unique to us – we want to try and solve the infrastructure problem but the one good take out of it is the number of people wanting to engage in our sport.

There’s work to do for infrastructure and that comes from us as well – these things don’t happen in 30 seconds either.

You need to find the right place, they need to be funded and it’s hard to find green open spaces to the extent that we would like, but it’s an exciting journey with it being better than people not interested in our sport.

We’ve found that people such as in council are happy to work with us, but as we can imagine the number one priority for us may not be the number one problem that those people have to solve as well.

Whenever we have those discussions, there’s a myriad of stakeholders that each party must deal with.

There is an impetus towards football grounds, more so than 5-10 years ago and that’s really pleasing to see because that is what the community is asking for.

Victoria is multicultural and people come together from all different backgrounds, so all of those people have probably played football from where they’ve come from, not so much from domestic sport.

There’s no shortage of appetite to work with people, it’s just a shortage of time for everybody to have their priorities lined up.

Caroline Carnegie speaking with Craig Foster.


You’ve spoken about preventing a ‘sugar hit’ from the World Cups, how do we sustain the momentum?

Caroline Carnegie: I don’t think there’s a reason why the game shouldn’t be a success.

Because we have a lot of different layers when we all work together, all stakeholders and state/national bodies need to help each other build what we aim to do.

The number one factor is people – when they lose interest, then sponsors and broadcasters would do the same and has a massive flow on effect.

We need to work together to ensure that the product going out there is what people want to see. Watching the Socceroos and Matildas was amazing, but we need people to have their heroes from domestic competitions.

The kids that love the game off the back of the World Cup are not able to see their heroes if they don’t follow the A-League every week.

In an ideal world, they love it when they play for their team, but then for the country loving them plus others that galvanise the national sides.

Victory has set up the Female Development Fund, how has that been incorporated?

Caroline Carnegie: For our A-League Women matches, we have not charged patrons for entry this year.

What we did was create the Female Development Fund and what we ask people to do if inclined is to put their money into that for female programs only and for people to apply for grants to help with program development.

It’s a tricky one because it’s not that we don’t value the girls, but it’s because we didn’t want to have any barriers to people not jumping on the women’s game when we had such a successful World Cup tournament.

In the women’s space, it’s those things to make sure that people have greater access to games and that they can watch their heroes and want to aspire to be like them.

No tickets for games is a different approach, but we have a long-term view to keep people involved and engaged with the game, eliminating those barriers.

Caroline Carnegie congratulates goalkeeper Lydia Williams.

How has the move been to The Home of Matildas?

Caroline Carnegie: It has been really well received.

As with any stadium, it’s more convenient for some compared to others, but it’s the elite nature of the facility from both a training and playing perspective has been welcomed by the girls.

A couple of years ago we had a member forum and we had more double headers coming up – there were people concerned around that.

We were clear at the time that we wanted to do the right thing by our members but also for our players, because the more they play the more you want to watch them.

If you speak to any of the girls, the difference in terms of how elite they feel having the home base with the quality it presents is huge. We are really pleased with how it’s turned out.

It’s a mindset shift as well, as our female players are still semi-professional and need to do other things given the nature of how the league is structured.

In your role, what does the future look like?

Caroline Carnegie: Our partners and shareholders are crucial to what we do.

However, our members and fans are number one. We can’t fill stadiums without them, and the players don’t want empty seats.

We had a course that we provided content for around 12 months ago, where the Director of Football, Coach, Chairman and I came and did a presentation.

Somebody asked me what does success look like for you; Success is not one thing, it’s always football first, but we want to be successful across everything we do.

From a membership perspective it is not just numbers – it is engagement, people who want to be part of Victory and us doing the right thing by them; In a tough environment where they decide what to do with their money, we don’t get questioned because they feel that relationship and value.

Commercially, we want partners to feel like they get a lot out of the alignment with Victory through business.

People should say win trophies, but if you do that in an empty stadium then that’s not success.

We are continuing to evolve and having a member working group helps us understand and validate the decisions we make through feedback.

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Melbourne Victory commits to player wellbeing with P3 Recovery

In an announcement made yesterday, Victory revealed that P3 Recovery will become the club’s Official Recovery Partner.

 

Maximised recovery, guaranteed results

As a nationwide organisation specialising in recovery, performance and wellbeing, P3 Recovery’s alliance with Melbourne Victory promises to be hugely beneficial for players and members alike.

“As industry leaders, serving to inspire through the world’s game, very edge matters, and partnering with P3 Recovery provides a new dynamic to the support afforded to our players,” explained Melbourne Victory Managing Director, Caroline Carnegie.

“Melbourne Victory looks forward to seeing a positive uplift in recovery through this partnership.”

Indeed, with an extensive range of recovery methods on offer – from infrared saunas to hyperbaric oxygen therapy and more – P3 Recovery stands as a valubale partner for players looking to maximise performance and recovery during the season.

Although the partnership is new, P3’s Richmond location already provides team recovery sessions and injury rehabilitation. Their commitment to Victory’s physical and mental wellbeing is unquestionable, so it is not surprising why P3 Recovery are the latest local business to join the Victory family.

Supporting professionals and public

While P3 Recovery will help Victory’s A-league Men’s and A-League Women’s team with physical recovery, the alliance will bring many benefits to locals seeking guidance on health and lifestyle choices.

“We’re passionate about helping people take control of their health through expert-led therapies, everyday performance tools and a welcoming space designed to help you feel better, move better and live better,” said P3 Franchisee, Naum Sekulovski.

“Whether you’re managing injury, chasing a goal or just need to reset, P3 is where recovery becomes a lifestyle.”

And with sport and physical activity such a huge factor in the lives of so many Melburnians, a partnership with Victory shows the entire city that when it comes to optimal recovery and service, P3 is there to support everyone in their sporting or personal goals.

Beyond the Pitch: Miyuki Kobayashi on the Real Challenges Facing Japan’s Women’s Game

Last week, Soccerscene spoke to pioneer of women’s football in Japan, Miyuki Kobayashi, about the game’s development in Japan and the intersection between sporting and social change in the country.

 

Talent, quality and recent silverware

After Japan’s recent AFC Women’s Asian Cup victory in the final against Australia, the women’s national team solidified its standing as the No.1 team in Asia.

Throughout the last 15 years, Japan’s women’s national team has grown into a formidable opponent, boasting a World Cup trophy, an Olympic silver medal, as well as three AFC Women’s Asian Cups.

The talent is undeniable. The quality is unwavering. And the team shows no signs of slowing down.

But these victories and trophies on the world stage wouldn’t be possible without the leaders behind the scenes – none more so than Miyuki Kobayashi, former WE League Board Member and current JEF United Ladies Scout and Academy Chief.

 

Laying the foundations

Kobayashi has led the charge for women’s football in Japan, promoting not only a sport which values success, but one which empowers female footballers across the nation.

“At university, not many girls were playing and we didn’t have an official team. I went to the US and the environment was so different,” Kobayashi explained.

“That opened my eyes – women can play. That’s how I started the women’s soccer league when I came back: to make an environment for girls to play.”

Thus, accessibility and opportunity became driving factors behind Kobayashi’s work, not only for those on the pitch, but for those in the dugout.

“I got involved at the JFA (Japanese Football Association) to promote women’s football. We wanted to create the opportunity for women to be coaches.”

“They are coached by men all the time, so even when the top players leave the football world, they never think to be involved.”

Furthermore, as a former coach of JEF United Ladies Youth and General Manager, Kobayashi was intent on employing as many female coaches as possible. It was not merely a personnel change, but a challenge to widespread social attitudes.

“When I started to employ female coaches, the girls’ parents asked why the coach wasn’t a man. But gradually, we started to make it equal – they didn’t talk about the gender, but about the quality of the coach.”

 

The mission to empower

In 2011, the same year Japan’s women won the World Cup, the domestic league was yet to become professional. Known as the Nadeshiko League, players would work during the day and train in the evenings.

The transition from an amateur to the current professional league required time, resilience and a change in perspective.

“The sports world in Japan is more traditional – it is dominated by men,” said Kobayashi.

“If you want to make the environment even, or (want) more women to come into the (football) world, you can change the mind of the players.”

Since 2021, the WE League has embodied a sense of growth and positive change for the women’s game. In name and nature, it looks to empower players, coaches and all involved in the industry.

“I was in charge of mission achievement for women’s empowerment. We wanted to educate the players, to inspire girls and women who watch the game.”

However, the drive to empower women in football was not without backlash and challenges.

“Some people don’t like that word: ’empowerment’. It’s too strong for them. Some women really appreciate it, but it’s not easy to change the mind of society through football,” Kobayashi admitted.

 

Growing and attracting talent

Although WE League clubs are accelerating youth development and expanding pathways across U15, U18 and first team football, Kobayashi acknowledged that the overall product must improve to bring foreign players to Japan and entice homegrown talent to stay.

“Most of the national team players go to Europe or North America. I don’t say it’s a problem, but from a young age, girls who can play in the WE League want to go abroad,” Kobayashi outlined.

Indeed, when looking at the starting XI in last month’s AFC Women’s Asian Cup final, only one player – Hana Takahashi – plays in the WE League.

But the key to attracting domestic and international players to the WE League, is aligning financial investment and industry attitudes.

“The reason why women’s football has developed in European countries is the social thinking – you have to be equal and have the same opportunities as men in football. The Japanese way of thinking, especially in the football world, is not that at all,” Kobayashi continued.

“When I speak to people at Spanish clubs, women’s football is not a charity, but an investment.”

“We have assets. We have good, young players, but we’re exporting them, so we need to import too.”

Indeed, Spain is a perfect example of what can happen when investment becomes intentional, not optional. Back-to-back UEFA Women’s Nations League titles, 90% television viewership increase since 2016, and record-breaking crowd numbers reflect what can happen when the industry aligns in vision and commitment.

Japan has the players to compete against any nation in the world. Purposeful investment, combined with its overall quality of players and style, could transform the WE League into a true, global powerhouse.

 

The vision for the future

Moving forward, Kobayashi hopes that girls progressing through JEF United’s academies develop confidence and resilience, whether as players or people.

“We want to make the girls – even if they aren’t in JEF United – continue playing football and continue to be leaders,” Kobayashi said.

“Some of them have a dream to be a coach or a leader off the field too, so that’s one of the attributes we want to develop.”

This resilience, reflected by the club’s ‘never give up’ philosophy, is testament to the vision of empowerment championed by Kobayashi across the women’s game.

Even in the face of social obstacles and a lack of financial investment, perseverance and hard work is at the bedrock of women’s football in Japan. It is not just that these values exist, but that they are consistently manifested on and off the pitch, which can show future generations that football is a sport for all – men and women alike.

 

Final thoughts

There is no limit to what the WE League and the national team can achieve if given the resources it deserves. All the ingredients are there: individual quality, a distinct playing style, football philosophy and ambitions to grow.

By following the example of industry leaders like Kobayashi, women’s football in Japan can hopefully continue to make waves of impact – in the sporting landscape and society as a whole.

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