Katholos and Spanoudakis – Players who know best

In this age of uncertainty, Australian football faces great challenges to maintain prosperity in the professional sporting environment.

The decision makers would assure the football fraternity,  the right decisions are being made by the  people who are responsible for the governance of the game.

However, the history of the game is highlighted by the failure to provide former players the opportunity to contribute  in their life after football.

Many of these players have succeeded in the business world but have never been sighted by the hierarchy.

In 1992, the former Socceroo great, Marshall Soper, commented the game was all about administrators, not players.

Two former players who have succeeded in the business world are former Sydney Olympic team-mates, Peter Katholos and Manny Spanoudakis.

Katholos commenced a business in the manufacture and supply of football equipment while still playing professionally, has applied his electronics background in telecommunications and pursued extensive property and development interests.

Spanoudakis’s specialty was in electronic engineering with Unisys and is now General Manager of Sales for global technology company, Cisco Systems, in the Asia Pacific region.

In this interview with Roger Sleeman, Katholos and Spanoudakis provide their insights into Australian football.

 

ROGER SLEEMAN

With the restart of the A- League, what are your views on the current state of the game?

MANNY SPANOUDAKIS

Like all fans, I’ve missed the game and it wasn’t before time that the League was recommenced.

Ironically, the pandemic is an inflexion point for the stakeholders to reassess the existing status of the key areas of operational, technical and administrative procedures, and to implement necessary change.

PETER KATHOLOS

The restart was critical because if the League wasn’t to be completed, it could’ve potentially led to its premature demise.

Some players and coaches haven’t returned and without a competition, there was no publicity and the League became a distant memory.

However, the game probably required a reset so it could come out stronger at the other end.

ROGER SLEEMAN

What was your opinion of the playing standard before the halt?

MANNY SPANOUDAKIS

Watching overseas football with no crowds over the last few months has given me the opportunity to reflect and compare against the standard of the A League. Whilst the tempo, skill and intensity overseas is more advanced than the A League, turnover of possession and defensive frailties even at the most elite level are still there to be seen. That said, the standard of the A League still has significant scope for improvement in order to be compared with most European leagues.

PETER KATHOLOS

There are a couple of good teams in the League but it’s far from exciting as there is an absence of creative players.

I watched Leeds United v Stoke City a few weeks ago in the English Championship and it was breathtaking.

It highlighted the speed, technique and intensity which is lacking in our game and the bottom line is broadcasters woudn’t be pulling out of A-League coverage ,and subscriptions wouldn’t have been declining so consistently in the last few seasons if the product was better.

ROGER SLEEMAN

What is your view on the XI Principles for the future of Australian football, recently released?

MANNY SPANOUDAKIS

The document is voluminous so it’s better to consider the main points.

Point number 1 refers to the requirement for a strong brand and identity. I believe the Socceroos and Matildas already have a strong affinity with even the most casual sports fan across Australia. However, at the domestic level, promotion and marketing of the A League is almost non existant.

The awarding of the 2023 FIFA Women’s World Cup will certainly increase awareness of our sport across all demographics and we should look to leverage this great event to amplify the A League at every opportunity.

PETER KATHOLOS

To improve the identity of the game, there has to be consistent marketing for the benefit of the sporting public.

People are aware we qualified for the last four World Cups which we should continually market to the masses.

Personally, I was pretty disturbed by the total lack of coverage when the A-League and NPL competitions ceased at the start of the Pandemic.

ROGER SLEEMAN

On that note, what are your thoughts about the viewing audience last Saturday for Central Coast v Perth of 9,000 compared to NRL of 804,000 and AFL 978,000.

MANNY SPANOUDAKIS

Before their seasons recommenced, the other codes launched their publicity machines and people knew what was happening.

Honestly,  I wasn’t aware that Sydney FC played Wellington in the first match of A- league until I saw the score the day after.

Also, I didn’t know about the Central Coast match so the message is, there has to be some money spent on promotion because I didn’t see any advertising for the A-League.

PETER KATHOLOS

The figures don’t lie which suggests the A-League isn’t exactly capturing the imagination of the sporting public.

ROGER SLEEMAN

Point 3 of the Principles highlights payments in the transfer system.

Your thoughts about player transfer payments.

MANNY SPANOUDAKIS

In order to stimulate the football economy, the most immediate focus should be for the establishment of a transfer system across all levels of football in Australia.

For example, I remember in 1989, Zlatko Arambasic was an up and coming striker playing for Canterbury Marrickville Olympic in the NSW Super League. Blacktown City was in the NSL and paid a $50,000 transfer fee to secure his services.

If NPL clubs can generate revenue from developing players, they can reinvest in better facilities and coaching which sustains the football economy.

PETER KATHOLOS

We need a vibrant and sustainable development system so the NPL clubs can be rewarded via a transfer system which provides the resources for them to continue to churn out quality players for the A- League and the national teams.

ROGER SLEEMAN

Point 5 in the Principles refers to creating a world class environment for youth development.

Your take on this.

MANNY SPANOUDAKIS

The whole youth development system needs to be revamped and a funding structure established.

In order to improve the end product, we need a 5-10 year plan which entails developing better youth coaches and investing more in player education.

Parent education also has a key role to play in assisting youth development because up to 80% of the player’s available time during the week is at home.

Consequently, nutrition, fitness levels and private practice of technique and drills have to be of the highest order.

PETER KATHOLOS

Our major objective should be to develop better players who can boost attendances and bring more money into the game with the help of companies and the government.

In the 80’s, when I played at Sydney Olympic, our star local players attracted crowds of 10-15,000 without much promotion.

If you raise standards, more money will naturally flow into the game and also players can be sold overseas providing another substantial revenue stream.

ROGER SLEEMAN

There is a severe absence of past players involved in the game.

How can this change?

MANNY SPANOUDAKIS

As a corporate manager, I believe you need football people in the key positions of financial,  operations and marketing.

Historically, the CEO role was awarded to a non-football industry candidate but times have changed and James Johnson’s appointment was a positive one and quite timely.

The previous CEO’S had a lack of emotional connection to the game so at least giant strides have been made here.

PETER KATHOLOS

There are enough football people and former players available to be involved in all areas of the game like in Europe.

When the FFA started, their executives didn’t know who we were.

The skill set of former players should be utilized in coaching, mentoring, marketing and administration.

I applaud the selection of the first eleven but the key issue is, some of these current and former players may have little business experience.

Undoubtedly, there are many former players who have succeeded in business and willing to make a contribution to the progress of the game.

ROGER SLEEMAN

Is the administration hanging its hat on the success of the Women’s World Cup bid?

MANNY SPANOUDAKIS

This is a fantastic victory for the sport as it promotes gender equality and it should be an amazing tournament.

During the difficult times, a better good news story couldn’t have happened to the sport.

PETER KATHOLOS

This was a real success after the failure of the Men’s World Cup bid and hopefully it will encourage a large commitment to building better infrastructure for the sport.

Frankly, I didn’t follow the women’s game closely until the Stajic saga prompted me to take interest.

However, I believe the players like our men, have to improve the technical side of their game if they’re going to be a threat in the tournament.

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From NSL Passion to Future Stars: Brian Macnicol on Football’s Past, Present, and Future

From the passionate days of the NSL to shaping the next generation of Australian footballers, Brian Macnicol has seen it all.

A former player during the golden era of the National Soccer League (NSL) and now a youth development coach, Macnicol brings decades of experience and insight into football.

Macnicol is mentoring young talent in today’s professional environment and working with academies to help nurture the current young group into becoming top level footballers.

In a wide-ranging chat with Soccerscene, Macnicol reflects on the raw passion of the NSL, compares past and present youth systems, and weighs in on the potential for a new golden generation in Australian football.

Theo Athans

You played early in your career in the peak of the NSL days. Can you describe the passion of the NSL compared to how it is now?

Brian Macnicol

You couldn’t compare with the local derbies especially South Melbourne vs Heidelberg, which was the pinnacle, and its similar to a Victory vs City game these days.

But the supporters were incredibly passionate for every game and especially for their ethnic backgrounds so it meant something to them. Even as players like myself who weren’t Greek born or a particular ethnic background of a club, we still understood what it meant for them.

Melbourne Croatia and Preston Makedonia were crazy. I remember the day we got police escorted out of Preston early in the 90’s so it was crazy back then.

It’s changed for the better now because young kids are involved but yeah, the NSL was extremely passionate. They were great days.

T.A.

How professional was the NSL back then? In terms of quality on the pitch and the facilities.

B.M.

I have had this discussion before with people about then vs now and you can’t really compare. It’s sort of like comparing house prices today to back in those days where it’s changed completely.

Like I said, it’s for the better, these guys in the A-league today have incredible facilities. I worked for George Kotses at Southern Motors cleaning cars who were the major sponsor of the club and you’d be in the sun working hard all day then drive straight to training where these days they don’t have that.

In terms of quality on the pitch, we had the Viduka’s, the Mehmet Durakovic’s, the Stevie Blair’s you know there’s a list of players who were quality.

Stan Lazaridis had a great career, I played with Doug Hodgson and Sean Murphy who both played in England, and Kevin Muscat who was a great player and has a great coaching career.

Compared to these days, technically the players are superior to us but that’s maybe because they’re training day in and day out, so everything improves. Instead of only having two hour training sessions, three nights a week, these guys are training everyday with programs from Strength and Conditioning coaches, physios, analysis, recovery and dieticians.

At the latter end of my career with Jeff Hopkins as coach he tried to bring in a bit more professionalism but it was hard because the money wasn’t the same as it is these days.

My nephew Quinn, who is at Brisbane Roar, he’s only 16 but I think he’s earning more money than I earnt in a whole year at u16’s.

There were quality players back then and everyone would have been better with the programs they have these days. It’s a shame, it’s just the times I suppose.

They’re so lucky, and I don’t mean that in an envious way, but I try to teach the kids I coach that they are lucky.

Image credit: Brian Macnicol

T.A.

You coached at the u20’s and u21’s NPL level early in your coaching career. How did that help you develop into the coach you are today, especially with youth development?

B.M.

I had an association with Chris Taylor, I started with him probably 10 or 12 years ago and he was at Dandy Thunder doing the first team and brought me on as his assistant. We crossed paths at Southern Blue Tongues which was a representative summer program and we got to know each other from there so he took me to Dandy Thunder NPL Seniors.

Then he more or less took me where he went and I followed him because there was a bit of respect there. He took me to South Melbourne and from there we went to Oakleigh so I’ve learnt a lot of my coaching methods and strategies under Chris Taylor so I owe a big thanks to him for giving me these opportunities and set me up in my coaching career.

T.A.

What motivated you to get into coaching after your playing career?

B.M.

The one person that motivated me was probably my dad. He has been coaching all his life and had an association with Craig Moore. At a young age he was coaching the state teams and he coached me, same with my brother who is the technical director for Rochedale in the NPL up in Brisbane.

It’s sort of in the family, it’s something I enjoy doing and now I’ve dropped down from doing the u23’s to the younger age group which I enjoy because you’re developing them into top players. I have already seen some good players go on and have a great career like Matt Millar and Jacynta Galabadaarachchi who is playing up in Portugal.

It’s really nice to see that you invest something into these guys and they go on to live their dream as professional footballers.

T.A.

Speaking on youth player development, how do you compare the youth environment now to back in your day when you first started playing?

B.M.

I’m actually working with Jai Ingham in his academy, and he has a successful academy under Malvern so I’ve been with Jai for a year and a half now and it’s very professionally run. Great coaches have been involved like Joe Guest, myself, big Harry Sawyer so these sorts of players are coaching.

Going back to my days and comparing it to now, they just have way more information these days. No disrespect to the coaches back then but they didn’t have to do coaching badges like every coach now so back then I never did any strength and conditioning work, video analysing or had any dietitians to help me out.

With Jai’s academy, everything is very structured, all sessions are well planned and it’s high intensity so everything is very professional in that sense.

Like I said earlier on about the NSL days, we were working full time and then having to go play football after compared to these days having a full time role.

Image credit: Brian Macnicol

T.A.

And do you believe the youth system is good enough in Australia at the moment?

B.M.

I went overseas last year and took a young academy to the UK with Mitch Nichols and we did tours of Cardiff, Southampton, QPR and finished off at Tottenham with Ange.

We got to play tier one academies with our group of young boys and we competed really well. We gave every academy we played a decent game, the only team that gave us a bit of a footballing lesson was Tottenham who beat us 5-2.

They were superior to the others but our boys did really well so we asked the question ‘what do you think is special about these academies?’ and they were saying around the age of 15 and 16 they start to get kids from all different parts of Europe and that’s where it starts to pick up in quality.

Obviously, the facilities they have are on another level and even the coaches they had, I think the u16 coach they had used to coach at the Premier League level. But it was a fantastic experience to play these teams in their training facilities in a new environment.

I guess the point is we weren’t far away from these clubs but as they start to get older and recruit from Europe, so that widens the gap.

No youngsters from Europe are going to come to Australia, are they? They’ll go to countries where football is their number one sport.

T.A.

The Socceroos golden generation has come and gone but do you think the current NPL and A-League development system can produce world class players again?

B.M.

You’d hope so. I was reading about Tom Waddingham from Brisbane Roar and they were liking him to Viduka which is an unbelievable statement this early in his career. Viduka was top scorer in the NSL at 18 so he was on another level.

I’m not exactly sure why we haven’t replaced that golden generation because we have better facilities, coaches and programs in the current day compared to back then but I just don’t think the mentality of players these days is the same.

I played with a few players who were physically and mentally strong whereas these days the anger has been taken out of the game a little bit.

I’m sure it’s a question that a lot of people want to answer but even a name comes to mind, Jo Biskic, who I had a bit of experience playing with at Heidelberg United and he was a terrific player technically. Even the Melbourne Croatia boys were all fantastic in their own right, it was an incredible team.

All we can do is keep working hard, give the youngsters all the information, facilities and coaching we can and hopefully we do produce these players again.

As a country we seem to lack a proper number nine. Defensively I think we’re really good, you’ve got the two centre backs in Harry Souttar and Cameron Burgess then you’ve got Bos and Geria as full backs. But it’s lacking those attacking players and especially that number nine.

You’d want to beat Bahrain and these other countries but in saying that every country is improving at the same time so we have to keep up.

For Jaiden Kucharski, The Sky is the Limit.

Despite its slow start to the season, many pundits believe this season’s Sydney F.C. squad is one of the strongest for many years.

Consequently, it has been difficult for striker Jaiden Kucharski to be selected on a regular basis. However, Jaiden Kucharski’s journey is one marked by moments of brilliance and potential.

For those who observed the power-laden goal he scored against Brisbane Roar in Round 3 and the disallowed volley he despatched against Wanderers two weeks ago, there is no doubt he has all the attributes of a goal-scoring maestro.

Additionally, his powerful right-footed drive from outside the penalty area last Sunday nearly found its mark for a ten-man Sydney F.C. to achieve a 2-2 draw, only to be denied by the agility of Central Coast Mariners custodian Dylan Peraic-Cullen.

Photo credit: Jaime Castaneda / Sydney FC

None of this comes as a surprise, as Jaiden Kucharski’s Sydney F.C. record includes twenty-nine goals in three seasons in the NPL Men’s competition.

So, what does the future hold for this talented twenty-two-year-old?

In this interview with Roger Sleeman, Jaiden Kucharski talks about his early exposure to football, his progression through the Sydney FC Academy to the senior squad, and his ambitions in the senior game.

ROGER SLEEMAN

Can you outline your early introduction to the game?

JAIDEN KUCHARSKI

After starting at Glenwood Redbacks as a five year old, I moved to the Football Development Academy and eventually progressed to the Sydney FC Academy at the age of fourteen via the NSW Institute.

R.S.

Who were the early influences in your career?

J.K.

I followed Messi and Ronaldo and also worshipped Tim Cahill, Mark Viduka and Harry Kewell.

Also, due to my Polish background, I admired Robert Lewandowski as a goalscorer.

R.S.

You are equally accomplished on both feet  with ferocity on both sides.

When there are so many one sided players in the A-League, how have you managed to achieve this milestone?

J.K.

There was a coach called Cormack at the FDA who worked with me to improve my weaker left side when we went for periods without using the right foot in training.

At the weekends when I was eight or nine, I would train with the ten to fourteen year olds which also harnessed my two sided skills.

At the Sydney FC Academy, Kelly Cross has also nurtured my left side further and now I believe my shooting is better with my left side.

R.S.

You’ve been scoring goals for fun in NPL competition so what role do you see yourself playing?

J.K.

I’ve grown up playing as many positions as possible

However, I want to play up front as one of the two nines and being a target man to either drop to receive the ball and also playing in between and along the last line of defence.

I also want to be able to take the ball myself and score goals by taking opponents on.

Photo credit: Jaime Castaneda / Sydney FC

R.S.

The goal you scored against Brisbane Roar in Round 2 was one of the hardest shots ever seen in the A-League.

Could you explain how you did it?

J.K.

My best attribute is my striking contact with the ball, assisted by strong groins and when the cutback came I hit through the ball as hard as I could.

R.S.

Are you prepared to wait for that break to get more game time?

J.K.

I’m contracted with Sydney FC until June next year and I’ve made the most of my playing time so far, but in the end selection is up to the coach.

I could also leave during the transfer window in January if the club allowed me.

Photo credit: Jaime Castaneda / Sydney FC

R.S.

Have you had recent discussions with the coaching staff regarding your role in the squad?

J.K.

Not really as I just do everything in training to impress.

However, it was heartening to get a full game against F.C. Kaya and the goal I scored just inside the box to make a 3-0 scoreline, reinforced what I can do when I get space in front of goal.

R.S.

Would you leave Sydney F.C. when your contract expires, and if so where would you go to?

J.K.

I could go to Poland where I have citizenship but I also believe Germany would suit my style of football as an attacking player.

R.S.

It is a star studded squad at Sydney FC but you would be a certain starter at most other A-League clubs.

If the right offer came, would you move to another A-League club?

J.K.

Anything is possible, providing I’m getting game time and further developing as a footballer.

R.S.

Which of your team-mates do you really relate to?

J.K.

Adrian Segecic is an old team-mate who laid the ball off to me for the Brisbane Roar goal and three years ago I provided the pass which allowed him to score his first A- League goal against Macarthur Bulls.

Also, Anthony Caceres is a great foil and I’ve learned a lot from Joe Lolley and more recently Douglas Costa who is impeccable in his movement.

The new striker, Patryck Klimala, is a clinical striker and Leo Sena has that touch of genius which any young player can learn from.

Photo credit: Jaime Castaneda / Sydney FC

R.S.

What is your opinion of the A-League?

J.K.

Foreigners I’ve met say they didn’t expect the A-League to be so strong.

It’s a great step up from NPL to APL as the pace and pressure is so much more demanding.

R.S.

Where do see yourself in three years time?

J.K.

Playing overseas as a regular starter, ideally in a First Division setup.

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