Optus Sport’s Clive Dickens on his role leading content for the Women’s World Cup

Even before the FIFA Women’s World Cup was on the horizon, Optus Sport had already made its mark in Australian football.

At this point, Optus have cemented themselves as the place to watch all major events and leagues, including the men’s and women’s Premier League, Spanish LaLiga, Japan J. League and Korean K League.

Fully supporting the Matildas in the upcoming Women’s World Cup, you’ll be able to see every game of the national team live and on demand.

It’s this commitment that has seen FIFA name Optus as an Official Supporter of the Women’s World Cup, adding to the confirmation that Optus is the Official Broadcaster of the tournament.

Clive Dickens, Vice President, Television, Content and Product Development of Optus, spoke with Soccerscene about Optus’ growth as an organisation, the buzz around the World Cup, how to leverage the viewing audience and plans for the future.

Tell us about your thoughts leading into the World Cup itself?

Clive Dickens: The Women’s World Cup was awarded to Australia two and a half years ago and we have a deep history at Optus Sport of broadcasting World Cup content.

We were the only place to watch all games from the 2019 Women’s World Cup in France, and we were also the partner of SBS in 2018. We’ve also broadcast the FIFA Club World Cup as well in the past. So, we bid for those rights when Australia and New Zealand were nominated as the host countries and through a very aggressive tender process.

We’ve invested enormously in the product and platform and team to become the official broadcaster. We’ll have brand new studio facilities, production facilities, hundreds of people working on that coverage, five remote teams across two countries collecting content from all the 11 cities where there are games being held, and see all 64 games live on demand with highlights, goals, mini matches etc.

As Optus itself is an official supporter, we’ll leverage all the fantastic tournament tickets, content, imagery and intellectual property across all of our 400 stores and thousands of channel experiences. A bit like some of the other official supporters and partners, this is an incremental investment in the sport.

What’s your take on how the viewing audience consumes content?

Clive Dickens: A lot of fans won’t sit down and watch the entire game or the whole second half or even a replay or long highlights.

But they will see amazing goals, athletes and content stories across social platforms. Whether it’s across TikTok, Snapchat YouTube or Facebook, or whether it’s on LinkedIn or Twitter, we’re confident that our content will reach 20 million of the 25 million Australians.

That’s really what will benefit the women’s game enormously. It wasn’t that long ago when the women’s game was a minority sport. Being a host nation and an official broadcaster and supporter of a telco and digital business, we will be able to bring this to not only our 10 million customers, but we confidently predict 20 million Australians will see at least five minutes of our coverage of the event, making it by far the biggest event in this country since the 2000 Olympics and prior to the Brisbane 2032 Olympics.

You started with Optus in May 2019, what have you observed from when you started?

Clive Dickens: Each year, there’s been 40% growth on the prior year in terms of engagement and subscribers. This is the beautiful world game, it is the fastest growing game in the world, even though it’s one of the oldest. There is no sport in the world that’s growing faster. And we’ll see that over the next five years with the 2026 Men’s World Cup in USA, Canada, and Mexico.

One of the big watershed moments was the Euro 2020 Championships. Here in Australia, that still holds the record for the largest ever live streamed event in the history of the Australian Internet, where 675,000 devices connected to our origin service to watch England lose to Italy between 4am and 7am in June 2021. No single sporting event has ever had a larger online audience than that in Australia. Not a Grand Final, not Ashes Cricket, not an Australian Open.

Part of the reason for that is because all those events I mentioned are also carried on broadcast TV, whereas the Euro 2020 tournament that was played in ’21 was exclusively online. But if you think that number of 600,000 to 700,000 concurrent devices peak, that was England versus Italy with not a single Australian playing there. And it was at 4am to 7am. Now fast forward, we’ve got the Matildas playing the Republic of Ireland and hopefully going through from the group stage or the finals. This is a prime-time event. No Matildas games are before five or six in the evening. Before we had to get up early, but we won’t need to in Australia. You’ve got this confluence of factors that have never been seen before in football.

How do you assess the international appeal of Australia?

Clive Dickens: In Sydney they’re currently building the Fox Sports America Women’s World Cup Studio, a huge construction that’s going on just under the Harbour Bridge, because NBC, Peacock, Telemundo and Fox Sports are the combined official broadcasters of the tournament in America. What this means is that the tournament is going to be a huge platform for Australian tourism across all those networks. The world champions, America, are going to obviously do very well, even if they don’t go all the way. This will create amazing platform of inspiration for our country, following on from the pandemic, where we will be able to showcase the best of Australia to a huge global audience.

I go past this studio construction every day and they are building one spectacular set right with the Harbour Bridge as the backdrop. For 10 to 12 hours a day, Sydney and the whole of Australia and New Zealand is going to feature as a backdrop to British, European and American broadcasting. This is an incredible moment for the country’s tourism industry as well off the back of the pandemic.

What is Optus Sport doing to help promote the tournament?

Clive Dickens: We’ve got hundreds of licensed venues where you can watch all 64 football games, including clubs, pubs and casinos where you can watch it with other fans in the warmth of the indoors, because it is winter in Australia and a little bit cooler. A lot of this shared experience is going to be in venues. We’ve also got dozens of FIFA fan zones – public parks where councils are applying for free licenses to stage fan zones. For example, in one Sydney council area alone – the Inner West Council – there will be infrastructure set up in six parks to watch games. That’s six in just one Local Government Area. There will be other councils in other cities doing the same. It’s a daytime event, the first game kicks off at 11am, and the last game whistle blows at 11pm. What could be better? No staying up late at night, no setting your alarm early.

One of the big differences you would notice as a football fan is the profile difference in the type of supporters. Women’s football has a much, much younger supporter base than men’s because men’s football is steeped in history. In the UK, it’s like 180 years. The average club in Premier League is 100 years old. To get even football in the major leagues, it’s quite expensive. You’ve got to be a member and got to buy a season ticket. That tends to favour people who have handed down their team from granddad to dad, to son or to family. And it’s expensive to go and watch big flight teams across Europe. It’s less expensive with the A-League, but it’s pricey. Whereas women’s football is typically much younger audience and is much less male. For example, over 80% of our subscribers are male, but we’re predicting 55 % of our FIFA Women’s World Cup audience to be female. So, you’ve got a younger, more female fan base.

Whether that’s in the stadium or elsewhere, the atmosphere is completely different. The chants are different. The songs are different. Because you put 60 % women in one place versus 80 % men, it feels very different. Like going to a concert is different. You’ve got a rock act or you’ve got a pop act. Therefore, not only is a game a little bit different on the pitch, but the audience is very different. So that’s one of the reasons why it’s going to be so enormous. For example, my 21-year-old daughter and her friends are not really interested in men’s football at all, but they’re all on my case about getting tickets for the FIFA Women’s World Cup because they see themselves on the pitch. They see this as a leveling up and a real difference around how the women’s game is played.

How do you think the Matildas will fare and thoughts on the tournament overall?

Clive Dickens: We have one of the best players in the world, if not the best, in Sam Kerr. When you couple that with the team on form and home ground advantage, this is the moment.

Just imagine if Matildas can make it to the final. I don’t want to tempt fate, but I think they can even get through to the quarter finals, which will feel like a final for Australia. A quarter final World Cup, something that no Women’s or Men’s team have ever achieved – anything after that is a bonus.

The thing about this event is that when we’re watching these incredible athletes, whether they’re American or from the Philippines or from New Zealand or Australia, it’s going to inspire millions of people, particularly young Australians.

That’s what sporting tournaments and amazing athletes do. They inspire people to go off and do amazing things, beyond just going outside to kick the ball around. As a high participation sport, football is the beautiful world game that’s growing faster than any other in the world.

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From NSL Passion to Future Stars: Brian Macnicol on Football’s Past, Present, and Future

From the passionate days of the NSL to shaping the next generation of Australian footballers, Brian Macnicol has seen it all.

A former player during the golden era of the National Soccer League (NSL) and now a youth development coach, Macnicol brings decades of experience and insight into football.

Macnicol is mentoring young talent in today’s professional environment and working with academies to help nurture the current young group into becoming top level footballers.

In a wide-ranging chat with Soccerscene, Macnicol reflects on the raw passion of the NSL, compares past and present youth systems, and weighs in on the potential for a new golden generation in Australian football.

Theo Athans

You played early in your career in the peak of the NSL days. Can you describe the passion of the NSL compared to how it is now?

Brian Macnicol

You couldn’t compare with the local derbies especially South Melbourne vs Heidelberg, which was the pinnacle, and its similar to a Victory vs City game these days.

But the supporters were incredibly passionate for every game and especially for their ethnic backgrounds so it meant something to them. Even as players like myself who weren’t Greek born or a particular ethnic background of a club, we still understood what it meant for them.

Melbourne Croatia and Preston Makedonia were crazy. I remember the day we got police escorted out of Preston early in the 90’s so it was crazy back then.

It’s changed for the better now because young kids are involved but yeah, the NSL was extremely passionate. They were great days.

T.A.

How professional was the NSL back then? In terms of quality on the pitch and the facilities.

B.M.

I have had this discussion before with people about then vs now and you can’t really compare. It’s sort of like comparing house prices today to back in those days where it’s changed completely.

Like I said, it’s for the better, these guys in the A-league today have incredible facilities. I worked for George Kotses at Southern Motors cleaning cars who were the major sponsor of the club and you’d be in the sun working hard all day then drive straight to training where these days they don’t have that.

In terms of quality on the pitch, we had the Viduka’s, the Mehmet Durakovic’s, the Stevie Blair’s you know there’s a list of players who were quality.

Stan Lazaridis had a great career, I played with Doug Hodgson and Sean Murphy who both played in England, and Kevin Muscat who was a great player and has a great coaching career.

Compared to these days, technically the players are superior to us but that’s maybe because they’re training day in and day out, so everything improves. Instead of only having two hour training sessions, three nights a week, these guys are training everyday with programs from Strength and Conditioning coaches, physios, analysis, recovery and dieticians.

At the latter end of my career with Jeff Hopkins as coach he tried to bring in a bit more professionalism but it was hard because the money wasn’t the same as it is these days.

My nephew Quinn, who is at Brisbane Roar, he’s only 16 but I think he’s earning more money than I earnt in a whole year at u16’s.

There were quality players back then and everyone would have been better with the programs they have these days. It’s a shame, it’s just the times I suppose.

They’re so lucky, and I don’t mean that in an envious way, but I try to teach the kids I coach that they are lucky.

Image credit: Brian Macnicol

T.A.

You coached at the u20’s and u21’s NPL level early in your coaching career. How did that help you develop into the coach you are today, especially with youth development?

B.M.

I had an association with Chris Taylor, I started with him probably 10 or 12 years ago and he was at Dandy Thunder doing the first team and brought me on as his assistant. We crossed paths at Southern Blue Tongues which was a representative summer program and we got to know each other from there so he took me to Dandy Thunder NPL Seniors.

Then he more or less took me where he went and I followed him because there was a bit of respect there. He took me to South Melbourne and from there we went to Oakleigh so I’ve learnt a lot of my coaching methods and strategies under Chris Taylor so I owe a big thanks to him for giving me these opportunities and set me up in my coaching career.

T.A.

What motivated you to get into coaching after your playing career?

B.M.

The one person that motivated me was probably my dad. He has been coaching all his life and had an association with Craig Moore. At a young age he was coaching the state teams and he coached me, same with my brother who is the technical director for Rochedale in the NPL up in Brisbane.

It’s sort of in the family, it’s something I enjoy doing and now I’ve dropped down from doing the u23’s to the younger age group which I enjoy because you’re developing them into top players. I have already seen some good players go on and have a great career like Matt Millar and Jacynta Galabadaarachchi who is playing up in Portugal.

It’s really nice to see that you invest something into these guys and they go on to live their dream as professional footballers.

T.A.

Speaking on youth player development, how do you compare the youth environment now to back in your day when you first started playing?

B.M.

I’m actually working with Jai Ingham in his academy, and he has a successful academy under Malvern so I’ve been with Jai for a year and a half now and it’s very professionally run. Great coaches have been involved like Joe Guest, myself, big Harry Sawyer so these sorts of players are coaching.

Going back to my days and comparing it to now, they just have way more information these days. No disrespect to the coaches back then but they didn’t have to do coaching badges like every coach now so back then I never did any strength and conditioning work, video analysing or had any dietitians to help me out.

With Jai’s academy, everything is very structured, all sessions are well planned and it’s high intensity so everything is very professional in that sense.

Like I said earlier on about the NSL days, we were working full time and then having to go play football after compared to these days having a full time role.

Image credit: Brian Macnicol

T.A.

And do you believe the youth system is good enough in Australia at the moment?

B.M.

I went overseas last year and took a young academy to the UK with Mitch Nichols and we did tours of Cardiff, Southampton, QPR and finished off at Tottenham with Ange.

We got to play tier one academies with our group of young boys and we competed really well. We gave every academy we played a decent game, the only team that gave us a bit of a footballing lesson was Tottenham who beat us 5-2.

They were superior to the others but our boys did really well so we asked the question ‘what do you think is special about these academies?’ and they were saying around the age of 15 and 16 they start to get kids from all different parts of Europe and that’s where it starts to pick up in quality.

Obviously, the facilities they have are on another level and even the coaches they had, I think the u16 coach they had used to coach at the Premier League level. But it was a fantastic experience to play these teams in their training facilities in a new environment.

I guess the point is we weren’t far away from these clubs but as they start to get older and recruit from Europe, so that widens the gap.

No youngsters from Europe are going to come to Australia, are they? They’ll go to countries where football is their number one sport.

T.A.

The Socceroos golden generation has come and gone but do you think the current NPL and A-League development system can produce world class players again?

B.M.

You’d hope so. I was reading about Tom Waddingham from Brisbane Roar and they were liking him to Viduka which is an unbelievable statement this early in his career. Viduka was top scorer in the NSL at 18 so he was on another level.

I’m not exactly sure why we haven’t replaced that golden generation because we have better facilities, coaches and programs in the current day compared to back then but I just don’t think the mentality of players these days is the same.

I played with a few players who were physically and mentally strong whereas these days the anger has been taken out of the game a little bit.

I’m sure it’s a question that a lot of people want to answer but even a name comes to mind, Jo Biskic, who I had a bit of experience playing with at Heidelberg United and he was a terrific player technically. Even the Melbourne Croatia boys were all fantastic in their own right, it was an incredible team.

All we can do is keep working hard, give the youngsters all the information, facilities and coaching we can and hopefully we do produce these players again.

As a country we seem to lack a proper number nine. Defensively I think we’re really good, you’ve got the two centre backs in Harry Souttar and Cameron Burgess then you’ve got Bos and Geria as full backs. But it’s lacking those attacking players and especially that number nine.

You’d want to beat Bahrain and these other countries but in saying that every country is improving at the same time so we have to keep up.

Apex Steel confirmed as name partner of SA women’s leagues

Apex Steel Supplies has been confirmed as a naming rights partner of South Australia’s top tier women’s leagues. In collaboration with Football South Australia (FSA), Apex Steel will brand with the Women’s State League (WSL) and the Women’s National Premier League South Australia (WNPLSA).

Operating since 1994, Apex Steel Supplies is one of the most major privately owned steel companies in Australia, with networks across the country. Through the partnership, Apex Steel demonstrates itself as a strong supporter of South Australian and women’s sport.

Football South Australia CEO, Michael Carter, warmly welcomed Apex Steel into the FSA community.

“We are delighted to welcome Apex Steel Supplies to the Football SA family,” he said via press release.

“To secure Apex Steel Supplies as the Women’s National Premier League and Women’s State League naming rights partner days from our 2025 season fixture announcement is a great outcome for the game.

“Women’s football continues a strong trajectory, and investment from local South Australian brands is great for the state and local game. On behalf of the entire football family, I want to thank Apex Steel Supplies Managing Director John for his support.”

Managing Director of Apex Steel Supplies, John Konstandopoulos, expressed pride for the collaboration and looked to the future.

“Apex Steel Supplies is proud to be onboard as naming rights partner with the most competitive Women’s Football Leagues in the state,” he said in a press release

“We look forward to seeing WNPLSA and WSL teams take to the pitch with our support, and we’re honoured to be a part of this journey.

“We’re confident that this partnership will be beneficial to both parties and wish the women’s teams a successful season ahead.”

The partnership between Football South Australia and Apex Steel Supplies presents a fresh and invigorating spark for women’s football, continuing to drive the forward momentum of the sport at a local level.

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